Who is in charge

#cybervic2k14

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Motivating people and getting them to drastically change a system is a fair amount harder than you're making it sound. While I'm all for better organisation and such, it's still fairly hard to induce a change in how things have been done for years.

 

I think you'll find the change I'm suggesting is not as drastic as you think. It's a lot of little things which add up to something as a whole makes a substantial difference in our ability to A. attract new players and B. retain good ones.

Also motivating or organizing people is not as hard as you think. It requires a lot of effective and consistent communication. You try to run a top 200 25m guild for 7 1/2 years or an MMO server for 10 years. I know it's hard, but it's certainly not the toughest challenge I've faced over my time managing online communities.

I haven't had the opportunity in the past to even suggest offering this kind of assistance to Shadecrest A. because I wasn't sure it was needed at the time Max was involved more and B. I was still leading my guild. Now that I am A. no longer leading a guild and B. Max has been not very involved in recent times, I think it's necessary for someone to fill those shoes.

Again it doesn't even need to be me, but I don't see anyone doing the things I am suggesting needs to get done. So either someone else needs to step up or something.

 

We'll here's what I think we need to do:

Appoint someone as the leader until max comes back
Make list of all the things that need to be done
Look for volunteers

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I honestly don't think we should have one person in charge of everything (besides max/blat). The reason things are not done is because the staff do not have the free time or are not reminded of what needs to be done when they do. For example I was on spring break all last week and I made a post asking about things that needed to get done and there were few posts. If you want changes or if there are problems you need to make the staff aware of them. You cant just say if you give me this position I will do x without stating what x is. Sorry to directly go on you like that cyber, that part really ticked me off because it reminds me of how politicians do basically the same thing. We're not playing political games here if we're trying to benefit the server.

P.S. the voting for the leader was instantly shot down because it would just turn into a popularity contest like most elections do.
Also we dont have the player base to do 25+ age req for admin. If we did that we would have 2 admins. If we did 18+ mods we'd have 3? Mods and all of them inactive. Age doesn't always lead to maturity. Ryo/green were what? In there 30s? Heatqr was also in his 30s with kids and he mass griefed and rage quit the server after ehm.

 

I'm not playing political games and I'm not tip toeing around the issue either. You seem to misunderstand my agenda. I've stated I think quite clearly the things which I have offered to help with the server. I could say it more till I'm blue in the face, but as you can see from my avatar I already am.

I'm just trying to help out. If you would like I'd be happy to discuss the details in further detail some time via Skype, Teamspeak, or something since apparently my written word is not getting through. Took about 2 minutes of explaining to NDV for him to understand... I think he gets what I'm proposing at this point. Several other staff not only get, but have contributed to this. In fact it wasn't even my idea to get this thing started, I've just run with the ball. Like I said a lot of little things which adds polish to Shadecrest as a whole, most of them being out of game things which no one is doing right now.

Specifically in terms of what X is, like I have stated before I have a document I've been working on a list with various staff members and members of the community which details a plan of action of items which can improve the server, most things out of game, some things in game, other things simply a multi-phase plan to implement real change management on the server including forming vision, customer profiling, marketing, etc. I'd be happy to share that with you and anyone, though at the moment it's still not complete and work in progress. Probably will continue to be as I get more and more feedback from staff. You're welcome to add to that feedback just like anyone else I've talked to.

If you think I'm acting like a politician, maybe you don't understand politics. Generally the way politics works at least in the US, is that corporations buy off elected officials though campaign contributions to get bills passed which gives them a false advantage in the "Free market". So what am I doing that's even remotely like a politician? I'm offering clear help for what gain? What personal benefit do I get from contributing all my time and effort toward improving the server? I want the server to be run more professionally. Gasp... so political.

I'm simply acting like a person who is looking at how well and effective is Shadecrest being run as a business. I'm a leader, a manager, and want to help Shadecrest. I could easily pack up and move someplace else, but I kind of enjoy the people here and care enough to want to help. Accept that help or call me a politician. I don't see what you or Shadecrest has to gain by the latter.

Finally, you seem to think this is all about me. In fact, if you want to actually do some of the things that hasn't been getting done since Max stopped being as involved with the server, you or anyone else with the business sense to actually handle these things is welcome to do so. Fact is no one is doing some of these things and it's beginning to make Shadecrest seem quite unprofessional. Someone has to do it. I've yet to hear ANYONE suggest ANYONE else other than me who is willing, skilled enough, experienced enough, has enough time, or wants to do the things I'm proposing. Hence why I've stepped up to accept this or at least offer my assistance. Don't want my help fine. Who's going to take charge?

 

I've skim read this and agree kinda;

I think things go slow because no one is sure who to go and who implements stuff when its done, so it just turns into an endless discussion.

As far as I know sharq is the only one with the tools to actually do stuff. If that's the case, similar to what Z said there should be maybe 3 people who can do stuff, because granted people will be busy and timezones don't help either.

An idea can be suggested by anyone, it should then be discussed and a decision made that its actually do able or not, then one of those 3 people just implements it.

E.g This is cool (insert idea here), can we have? > yeh it looks cool, will it work with our system or version ect...Yes/No > (idea) gets added by someone with tools.

 

I don't really mean admin, but somebody with a huge amount of sway should at least have a fully developed brain. I can name more than three people over 25 who are very capable.

 

I understand where you're coming from cyber, but I can't get behind something if I don't know the details of your ideas. Could you please link all staff to the document so we can all discuss and contribute to it, thank you.

 

I think technically it would be fairer if he got staff before contributing it/the ideas. Trust is a two way street.

 

What I meant by the acting like a politician was about the ambiguity you are usuing. Saying your going to do something and you have a plan without providing the plan. And you're doing it again. How can ANYONE offer to do what you have planned if you dont make it knows what it is?

tl,dr yes I'd like to see the document. I rather have it in a place everyone can see it so we can get as much feedback as possible.

 

I'm in agreement with sharq and A3. Before we consider your proposal, you need to fully explain it. You keep mentioning a document, but what use is it to us if we can't see it, and we're not allowed any input? The "various staff members and members of the community" helping you create it (AKA TeamSpeak) represent a very small portion of the server, and although I frequent TeamSpeak myself, I know it's easy for things to get one-sided very fast. You can't just work on ideas with a fraction of the server's members and then display the final product; you need to get opinions from all parts of the spectrum to contribute. Tell us what these problems are before expecting a decision based on them.

 

I appreciate your sentiment about trust Legend, but this is the kind of thing that even if I share broadly before this becoming a reality, while some of the items in this document will be controversial, I'd say 95% of it not only will be agreeable to the staff, but I'd say all of it is agreeable to the player population. If people disagree with the finer points, fine. Let's alter it. It's only a proposal.

NVD, you are allowed input. I've given you a link to the document via Teamspeak. You saw it before I put it into this thread. Maybe you missed that.

Anyhow, I didn't want to just open it up to everyone because like I said it's still WIP, but I guess it's done enough that I think it gets the message across. To protect the original authors who started it before me, I have cloned it. It is now in my name on my drive. I set it to anyone with link can read it. Those who want to collaborate with write access to the document, please let me know. Send me a PM with your email address or I think in google docs you can request write privileges.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qm_rTug_dcbLVyuu7DXkLaz-wqVv85wqkJ4hI58fNOo

Ultimately I think some people still assume when I say things need to be fixed or need to be changed, they are thinking in terms of the Survival server. They have their admins hat on and think that my proposal for change is about moving sliders, twisting dials, or installing a new mod. The changes I'm proposing are changes to how the community is managed, how we RUN things, how we market ourselves, etc. In the document I am also proposing a restructuring of the rules, but only to create clarity. I'd like the rules to more clearly reflect how the server is being run, not how it's poorly written in our current ruleset which often contradicts itself, sometimes 1 line after the next.

 

just a heads up- creators no longer get their own worlds

 

Yes I have heard this feedback from other staff which is why there has been a proposal made by folks for a more top level leader type individual. Someone who can lead discussions, make decision making more streamlined, give appropriate trustworthy people more power when needed, less when not. Players and several staff have suggested this position needs to exist which is why it's one of the first steps in the revamp that is proposed, to get someone in that kind of role in the absence of Max.

 

Ah, thanks Bobby.
Been wanting to get with Z or someone from Creative to get more clarity on exactly how things are run now a days there, rules, process etc. What is the best resource for consolidating some of that?

 

Feel free to start a PM with some creative staff, currently active are myself bobbylou4 Z_Millla Navarog and possibly trukklob although I haven't seen him in a while

 

Why's that?

 

Max didn't want a bunch of worlds floatin around.

 

The idea was creators would be most active, worlds would be small and they'd create maps with them which could be put on pmc for publicity ect, but whatever.