Ndvenckus1's Ban Appeal

I was banned for "Bug exploitation; stealing from shop chests." I'm going to assume this is referring to emilyburke's shop, /warp bargains.

I don't know how else to do it, so I'm just going to give a long explanation.

I saw her name come up somewhere, I don't exactly remember where, and I remembered she had an old shop. I warped there and found that all of the signs on the shop were missing. I'm going to say right now, I should have hawkeyed above the chests, but I hadn't been there in months, before she was even a mod. I assumed she had just taken them off of her own free will, before she left the server, to give the items to whoever went there. I started opening them and found various items inside them, mostly blocks, like wool, glass, leaves, etc. After I finished looting the chests, returning to my base several times to empty my inventory, I realized I had completely messed up, and had warped there before taking the items. So I warped back several times yet again, and returned everything I had taken. Although I'm not sure if I put everything in exactly the right spot, I did return everything.

For one, I had no idea that a bug had been exploited to open those chests; it never even crossed my mind. I certainly didn't exploit anything myself, though. And secondly, I returned everything I took, even a bit extra in some cases, when I wasn't sure how much it was.

That's all. I feel like a bit more investigation should have gone into this, though. And, obviously, I think I should be unbanned.

 

Like I said, I never even thought of those open chests as being part of a bug exploitation. Since falsebook doors had been disabled, I didn't even think it was possible anymore. Instead, I figured she had just removed the signs before she left the server.

 

Ezeiger and I did a huge investigation, we spent over an hour just going through the logs and hawkeye records you all left. Thanks for that.
So, to sum up what happened, you:

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  [li]Warped to loot[/li]
  [li]Found chestshops that had materials in them, but no signs, and proceeded to loot them,[/li]
  [li]Didn't tell any staff about it[/li]
  [li]Returned only part of what you took, not 'all if not extra'[/li]
  [li]Did this just 2 days after the mod rank was eliminated[/li]
  [li]Obviously talked with others about it (as 5 other people stole from there)[/li]

Yet you should be unbanned why?

oh, btw, here's the exact rule, well, one of many, that you broke:
Stealing from chests/shops that should be locked, but aren't due to plugin fail. How are you supposed to know? If it has a shop sign, it should be locked! If it's at someone's house among other chests, it should be locked too. Best way to check is to place an anvil in the same chunk as the chest. If it doesn't work, then that area is buggered.
The chests were at someone's home, among other chests, and you knew they used to be shops.

 

Like I said, almost immediately after returning to my base for the last time, I realized that I had warped to loot, and I returned the items that I took.

I've already mentioned this twice: I thought she removed the signs herself. Emily had been gone for months, and I thought she removed them herself. If it had been a bug exploitation, you would think that someone would have found out about it by then.

I didn't tell any staff about it, because I didn't see a need to. I had no idea a bug had been exploited to open those chests. For the fourth time, I thought she did it herself. Why would I think to tell the staff about some player releasing his/her items to the community?

If I didn't return everything, I'm sorry. I filled my inventory probably twice, and have about two dozen unorganized locked chests at my base, so I returned everything that I remembered stealing, or looked like a stolen item.

The fact that this happened two days after the mod rank was eliminated is irrelevant. You think that just because I was demoted, along with everyone else, I went into some angry mad state and warped to and old shop to loot chests? I hardly cared that the mod rank was eliminated. I was disappointed that I had been demoted, because I hadn't done anything, but I fully understood the decision.

And finally, I talked to no other players. Why would I even have a need to? Check the chat logs; check the forum logs; check the TS logs. It doesn't matter to me!

And thank you for stating the rule, but I'm already quite familiar with them. There wasn't a single shop sign there, not a single one! I didn't see this as a plugin fail. It saw it as emily manually removing the signs. And if someone were to use a bug to remove the signs, and I did think of that as a possibility, you wouldn't expect them to remove the signs from gravel, sand, half-slabs, or any of that.

I've already clearly stated my defense. And I think it's ridiculous that I wasn't unbanned after my first post! I did nothing. If you want to check the logs, go ahead. And if you want me to return the extra items, I'd be happy to! But this seems like a fairly biased opinion if you ask me. We have logs for everything that goes on; this is what they're for.

 

I'll admit, I wasn't thinking at the time. And after I returned the items, I never gave it a second thought, because I didn't see a need to. But her shop hadn't been mentioned anywhere in months, and it wasn't out in the open either.

Sure, if I think back on it now, I should have definitely been suspicious. But as I said, when I warped there, my only intention was to check out the shop. The open chests were a bonus. After realizing that I warped to loot, I returned the items, and it was a done deal in my mind.

 

How is it ridiculous? you keep saying you did nothing, but you knowingly warped to loot, and then exploited a bug to loot, whether or not that was knowingly done.
We did check the logs, I know that's what they're for. And, the logs said you warped to the shop and stole. Idk what we're missing?
And what part of the decision is biased? I'd really like to know how different admins from separate towns who don't talk outside of the game, with tons of evidence, who banned players from many towns, not just, for instance, Arcadia, acted with bias.

 

How is it exploiting if it's done unknowingly and I return what's taken? I did not "knowingly" warp to loot; I absentmindedly warped to loot. Upon doing so, I realized what I had done, and I returned the items. I don't see what's wrong about that! Why would I be punished for something that I fixed? Like our griefing-for-access rule: "You can grief, but only enough to gain access to someone's house/town/mine after you are done you must replace any blocks that you broke! (with the same blocks)." There's a fine line between tearing a hole in someone's home and tearing a hole in someone's home to gain access, and then replacing the blocks. If these had been normal chests, and a bug hadn't been abused to unlock them, then doing what I did would be perfectly fine.

No one (I assume) knew about the towny bug until after the fact, when Erik discovered it. I don't know how I can make my point more clear. I didn't know. As far as the bug accusation, I thought (under my lesser judgement at the time) that emily broke the signs herself before she left. I never thought more into it; that was just the first justification I thought of. As for the warping, I returned the items. I don't know what more to say.

Regarding the "bias" that I mentioned:

How do you explain that? Why even bring it up?