Pie's Ban Appeal

What is your IGN? PieSquared761
Who banned you?(use @<full username>) ezeiger92
Why were you banned(ban message)? Abusing Mob farm to get McMMO levels
When were you banned? December 21st, 2014 4:48 PST
How long is your ban? 7 days
Can you explain what you know about the ban in more detail? Pretty sure eze just hates mob farms in general, not quite sure why. Hating me + mob farms = ban. McMMO is an excuse, I don't care about McMMO, remove my swords levels if you want to. (One hell of a run-on)
Why should you be unbanned? Quite a few reasons:
Not illegal in general:

Hostile Mob Farms

• All types of farms except auto zombie pigmen and auto iron golems are allowed as long as they do not cause lag.
  • This means that if you want to farm pigmen or iron golems you need to kill them in a "fair fight", that being they can attack you as well.

And before you cite this:
Don’t exploit

• Don't abuse bugs, alt accounts, exploit obviously broken mechanics, or take advantage of situations where plugins fail allowing you to do something you shouldn’t normally be able to do.

It isn't a bug, it isn't an alt account (which tons of people have and publicly acknowledge), it isn't an obviously broken mechanic, it isn't a plugin fail, and it's something everyone should normally be able to do.

 

In addition, eze plans to ban mob farms in general. Why? Because he says it causes the staff too much trouble. I'd like to know what trouble, so I could at least understand what eze's is saying.

 

Items that I keep in chests, that I do not use, and that I do not sell.

Eze, you aren't making any sense. You're saying that players can't pass me... but admins can reset my levels. And if I did care about McMMO levels and if I did believe I was doing it on purpose, why on earth would I tell you? If the concern is that I'm a marker players can't beat, that problem is solved by removing my levels? How can you say removing the levels is irrelevant when they are the source of the problem? Not to mention it's fair because they can make their own spawners too.

Okay here's the deal. This is how I view Minecraft. You very likely think differently. You start out as a hunter-gatherer, eating whatever and mining whatever. At some point you build a home. You make that home better and better by adding wheat farms and sugar cane farms. At some point, you automate those. You automate and improve everything in your base, because it's fun. What's the use of tens of thousands of sugarcane? Nothing, but it's nice to have. Same is true for mob drops.

As for the McMMO aspect of the spawners, I don't know what to tell you. I don't care about the levels nearly as much as you do. I don't understand why removing the levels whenever you feel like it isn't an option, because that "mark to pass" wouldn't exist.

Also, it'd be nice if you could unban me, seeing as I didn't do anything illegal. We will, of course, continue this debate (if you want to). In the meantime, I'll be making a Christmas tree, if you would allow me to.

 

And I turned it off. When the lag was gone, I turned it back on.

It wasn't illegal at the time of me using it. I shouldn't be banned for a breaking a rule you literally added 2 hours ago. Again, if I was seriously trying to grind McMMO levels, then why would I tell you?

Again, it wasn't illegal at the time of me doing this. I know the rules. I've been here for a very, very long time. If something's illegal, I won't and don't do it. And even though I see no problem with mob farms, I'll stop using it.

I'm just trying to get unbanned for something that wasn't illegal. I'll shut down the spawner if it bothers you that much.

 

I had made this announcement in front of others in Teamspeak and in our Shoutbox which I'm sure Pie saw (days ago). For those who did not, I'm posting a similar statement here.

So, for the sake of public clarity, ongoing discussions are being had concerning the permanent ban status. We may or may not revoke the permanent ban. We may or may not extend the temp ban if the permanent ban is revoked. At the very least, the 1 week ban WILL stand, that is NOT be reversed at this point so there is no point arguing it.

Note that the final decision of what we do with her ban are based upon her past (both positive and negative) on the server, the specific events that lead up to this, the level of abuse, and may or may not result in any rules changes. Personally I don't think there needs to be any rules changes because what she did she knew was out of bounds, regardless of feigned ignorance (again based upon past discussions WE'VE had with her). People do not have all the facts in this case. If you'd like to discuss them one on one with me, I'd be happy to via Teamspeak or Skype.

As I see this, as objectively as possible the rules that she broke (knowingly) a basic rule of the server. I can say with confidence she knew what she was doing based upon previous attempts to exploit and abuse spawners in the past and code we've had to implement to stop her from abusing them in the past. Also based on weeks of discussions we had with her in the past of why we felt her behavior was considered abuse. At the very last, she's deserved the ban she got based other other similar bans for similar kinds of actions and her lack of respect for staff decisions.

A final decision on the exact terms and length of her ban will be decided before her 1 week ban period is over. Till then any further threads on this topic will be locked by moderators.

This may raise greater concerns and discussions about spawners, their effect on the economy, and systems people enjoy / balance they want upon the server. Ultimately we do build the server for the playerbase, but we also need to build for a server balance that we feel is attractive to new players as well. I'd welcome an open discussion on this OUTSIDE the context of an individual's abuse. Also, preferably after the holidays.