Brenthi Bombing (Potion of Harming 2 Spamming)

And where did Richard get his money? Did he find it on the floor? Did he make everything for less than 300r? I think not. And this is why I don't PvP. (not because I suck or anything...)

 

The invisibility part is still hard to implement, but the victim of the act is mostly likely going to notice if he is not invisible and visible. The OP bow part i can't respond due to the fact i don't know the damage a power 5 bow does to prot 4 armor

If someone can give me a head to head comparison with Prot 4 vs. Power 5 bow that would be excellent

 

It's hard to implement, which is why staff probably won't do it themselves.

My question though, is why it's Invisibility+Potions > Invisibility+Weapons? The main issue with this thread seems to hinge more on the invis potions, than it does on the harming ones.

 

Also i'd like to add why people are confused why i am still posting is because i don't want to complain again to staff about this so if there were rules or something put in place that can please both parties, you won't here complaints from me, shock, etc. and pvp will be active, enjoyable for everyone and one less of a headache for everyone

 

And also the fact that we're slowly starting to have a productive discussion, contrary to what you peoples think.

 

If everyone just stays calm, we should be good.

 

Invisibility is a good pvp tactic. I don't like it due to the fact i'm going in without armor. I'm not exactly saying that Invisibility+Potions > Invisibility+Weapons. It seems that way due to the fact that i'm unaware of the power 5 vs potions. I do know the sharp 5 vs potion situation and potion > sharp 5. So from this assumption potions > power 5, but i'm not completely sure. Even when it is visible potion bombing vs visible weapon fighting, potions tend to do a little bit amount of damage. If you were visible, it would be fair in both situations, the bomber has the potions, while the decked out PVPer knows of the bomber's position giving him a little bit more time to react, rather evening out the playing field. When a bomber comes up from behind you, it's almost like a regular PVPer coming up from behind you, not much you can do about it. Still the potions have a slight advantage, it still rather sucks. But in the end, if they were visible, it would cause the playing field to be evened out. Vanilla mechanics were not messed with and did not effect any other mechanics.

 

Very few people posting here are active in the type of pvp that goes on in our server. If you think you are active in pvp please pm me, I am finally going to make that pvp council thing zpw was messaging me about a while ago. They will make the decision, and all further decisions on how pvp is regulated/promoted.

p.s brenthi wasn't the best at pvp, the tactic is just named after him because he did it a lot. Also obviously if potion spamming can kill someone in prot IV in a few seconds while prot IV + sharp V vs prot IV + sharp V battles last at least a minute sharp V invis would be very ineffective against someone in prot IV.

 

So now we've established that the problem isn't the potions of harming, but the visibility of the attacker? Without the invis, then the bomber only has a marginal advantage over the average pvp'er.

 

So from the looks of you are saying being caught off guard is easier then be on guard? And i will not potion bomb since i see it as dirty PVP IMO.

 

I don't have an issue with pot bombing.I don't like the invisible part. I just don't like that I can't see them but they can see me in my shiny glorious diamond armor. could we not just make them wear a hat or boots or something so i have something I can attempt to swing at. Sure, they have the swirly things that emit from invisible people, but when it's raining and night time... kinda hard to see.

Bob out!

 

There were nicer ways of saying that Ez; and anyways, we were just arriving at that conclusion.

While my way is taking longer to reach similar conclusions, it's also attempting to teach peoples how to think about problems, and to be nice while doing so. If all the discussions followed the approach that Rem and I have been doing, then a lot more of these discussions would be productive.

 

A good pvper should use armor, sword, bow, potion, milk, lava, water, the environment, their skills, all where appropriate. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's inherently bad. If you have any legitimate suggestions on how to change things with a setting, plugin, or other such thing that would be productive. Suggesting behavioral rules is unproductive because that's not going to happen.

Also I applaud Legend for trying to teach our youth lessons in critical thinking and problem solving, but maybe threads like this one isn't the best way of doing it. You're just dragging it out. The reality is that we start by responding nicely with facts and critical thinking. When the other side doesn't think critically and responds with middle fingers, why are we at fault?

 

To what bobby said, this kind of implements the old rule you must have iron armor to be able to pot bomb . They can still be invisible, but yet you still see a big chunk of white armor. This implements the invisibility rule and possibly the 2nd rule i suggested.
Edit: they can still potion bomb, but it does not put a behavioral rule down in the books. I'd be please if this were to happen and the bombers can still be happy and bomb

 

The general consensus seems to be that while potion spamming is a wibbly-wobbly move, it's still a legitimate strategy; but will not be advertised as such, and discouraged from being used.

Is there an enchant to protect against potions and such? I'll look for one later, but it sounds like it could solve 99% of the problems in this thread.

 

There is not, only prot 4 is the only protection. Normal armor pretty much does nothing, pretty much wiping you out. I've seen plugins that add extra enchants, but not any potion protection enchants, but i'm not positive about that.

 

Correct if I'm wrong but wasn't potions and specifically harm / splash potions originally implemented AS a counter to heavily armored opponents?

 

Creepers were added to add more of a challenge to the players. The explosions they made make many people mad, but yet we turn off creeper explosions to create a more enjoyable environment (from what it seems like) . I'm not saying disable harming potions, but to even the battlefield when people use them. This would cause a more enjoyable PVP experience

If people complain about, sure enough it has happened plenty of times